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	<title>Comments on: Why I turned off comments at Flickr</title>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-143559</link>
		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...well i never get comments even though i have lot&#039;s of contacts...and i comment on lot&#039;s of peoples photo&#039;s and don&#039;t get any back...and i only leave comments when i genuinely really like the photo...and honestly i didn&#039;t think my photo&#039;s are too bad!</description>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-142457</link>
		<dc:creator>Raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that, cbn! But this sort of thing plagues photo sharing sites everywhere, although Flickr is most prone to it since it&#039;s the biggest. What I detest most of all are the damned ugly graphics (some animated) that people post in the comments to get you to join their (backslapping and brown-nosing) groups. *Blech*</description>
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		<title>By: cbn</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-142456</link>
		<dc:creator>cbn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a year on Flickr.  Eventually I just placed an explanation that I would no longer be posting pictures and that people should instead go to my website. I only ever made comments on other peoples pictures when I thought they were relevant and as such I suffered the ultimate fate of having good pictures with no comments while I&#039;d see countless rubbish pictures elsewhere with &quot;awesome shot&quot; etc. It made me wonder why I&#039;d bothered to upload stuff.

I observed the following:

- People don&#039;t take kindly to *any* critique or criticism of their shots. You pretty much waste your time making any comments beyond &quot;awesome shot&quot; and you hardly ever get anyone else critiquing your own. As far as Flickr being educational from the comments, it fails completely.

- Comments *are* a currency. People seem to have become addicts.

- It has quickly degenerated into mutual backslapping. I would say all of the &quot;best photograph&quot; groups serve no purpose other than to allow people to brown-nose each other. The pictures that get &quot;awards&quot; rarely ever earn them on actual photographic merits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I spent a year on Flickr.  Eventually I just placed an explanation that I would no longer be posting pictures and that people should instead go to my website. I only ever made comments on other peoples pictures when I thought they were relevant and as such I suffered the ultimate fate of having good pictures with no comments while I&#8217;d see countless rubbish pictures elsewhere with &#8220;awesome shot&#8221; etc. It made me wonder why I&#8217;d bothered to upload stuff.</p>
<p>I observed the following:</p>
<p>- People don&#8217;t take kindly to *any* critique or criticism of their shots. You pretty much waste your time making any comments beyond &#8220;awesome shot&#8221; and you hardly ever get anyone else critiquing your own. As far as Flickr being educational from the comments, it fails completely.</p>
<p>- Comments *are* a currency. People seem to have become addicts.</p>
<p>- It has quickly degenerated into mutual backslapping. I would say all of the &#8220;best photograph&#8221; groups serve no purpose other than to allow people to brown-nose each other. The pictures that get &#8220;awards&#8221; rarely ever earn them on actual photographic merits.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: How I handle contacts at Flickr</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-134878</link>
		<dc:creator>How I handle contacts at Flickr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s not me. I wouldn&#8217;t be true to myself if I did that. This is also why I chose to disable comments on all my photos. They&#8217;d gotten to be a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ComeAcross &#187; Choosing between Flickr, Zooomr and Picasa Web</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-122802</link>
		<dc:creator>ComeAcross &#187; Choosing between Flickr, Zooomr and Picasa Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Jalali</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-112147</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Jalali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree. I too have recently noticed the fall in quality of flickr comments.

And the worst remains with the group invites, when a popular photo is followed by lots of little gifs- and not even decent quality ones, but awful, cheap-looking things.

Use of capitals throughout are also annoying, and forced comments made from adding a photo to a group that requires them- this is a reason why group rules can sometimes be bad. People are only commenting in order to stick with the commenting rules, making them pretty meaningless.</description>
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<p>And the worst remains with the group invites, when a popular photo is followed by lots of little gifs- and not even decent quality ones, but awful, cheap-looking things.</p>
<p>Use of capitals throughout are also annoying, and forced comments made from adding a photo to a group that requires them- this is a reason why group rules can sometimes be bad. People are only commenting in order to stick with the commenting rules, making them pretty meaningless.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: DAVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes boring comments indeed but when a world renowned photographer stops by your photoblog and leaves some appreciative comments, that makes your day. Such as it did with me on an old photoblog I once had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yes boring comments indeed but when a world renowned photographer stops by your photoblog and leaves some appreciative comments, that makes your day. Such as it did with me on an old photoblog I once had.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Dada</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-111879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am ambivalent on comments. I try to comment something meaningful. But I think comments are often used to express the emotions people have, viewing a picture. And that emotion could be ´WOW!´.
I think people don´t often comment on a picture negatively. Indeed it would be nice if someone viewing my photo´s would say: &quot;hey, this picture would even be more nice if you&#039;d shot at a lower angle .......&#039; etc.
 
Maybe it helped if there were different levels of faving. Like &#039;WOW / /GREAT / NICELY DONE / GOOD TRY&#039;.

I try not to end up with tonns of faves. So I am faving only when a picture meets &#039;certain criteria&#039;, though I&#039;m still not shure what these exactly are... 

PS hope you like my comments on your pictures :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I am ambivalent on comments. I try to comment something meaningful. But I think comments are often used to express the emotions people have, viewing a picture. And that emotion could be ´WOW!´.<br />
I think people don´t often comment on a picture negatively. Indeed it would be nice if someone viewing my photo´s would say: &#8220;hey, this picture would even be more nice if you&#8217;d shot at a lower angle &#8230;&#8230;.&#8217; etc.</p>
<p>Maybe it helped if there were different levels of faving. Like &#8216;WOW / /GREAT / NICELY DONE / GOOD TRY&#8217;.</p>
<p>I try not to end up with tonns of faves. So I am faving only when a picture meets &#8216;certain criteria&#8217;, though I&#8217;m still not shure what these exactly are&#8230; </p>
<p>PS hope you like my comments on your pictures <img src='http://www.raoulpop.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-111615</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I SURE Hear ya on the new plethora of flashy-gif&#039;d and rules-laden group invitations! Whew! I do have Adblock installed and will block the graphic, when I get one from an otherwise good contact. I don&#039;t have time for all those groups, esPecially to try to live up to silly tit-for-tat rules, just to belong to some group that claims to speak for the Standard of fine photography.. ;-0

I agree that perhaps the true measure of whether someone likes my photo is their &#039;fave&#039;ing it, although I wonder if it means any more about the quality of my work than the comments do... I doubt that. Popularity never never really was a measure of merit or effectiveness --even in a &quot;photography community&quot;, I say.
My own policy for faving is that I Rarely do... only for those images which are outstanding to me in a particular way or which exemplify a principle I like to stand for. So in my case, a fave IS a full-on Vote for your image... Whether for Your intended reason or not.

I have empathy with your choice. Some of my flickr friends are, indeed, often frustrated with the whole Explore/SecretAlgorithm workings, and they want the Exposure, they say, more than the inane comments, really... and there&#039;s no arguing that Explore gets a exposure bump for them. I&#039;m not sure to what end, but, they want it, so I don&#039;t argue with them on that point, at all, anymore.

As for gaming the system... maybe that process worked for you... my friends have experiences/conclusions that seem to negate your method, really, for automatically getting into those first two pages of Explore.. . maybe it gets you into the 500 Interestingness &quot;cream&quot;, but Explore pages seem to be a different animal, in some ways, and the algorithm that determines it seems to shift every so often. That&#039;s when I hear the wails of my friends. ;-/

That brings me to my reason for leaving commenting turned ON: 
my flickrfriends.
I am glad I met them and I can say that it would have been less likely for me to have met them if it were not for comments. I know there&#039;s flickr mail, and that&#039;s a powerful option. To my way of thinking, though it&#039;s like adding a &quot;Do you Really Mean to Communicate?&quot; hurdle to the point of my being on flickr... sharing of my images And myself.

I do my best to leave only comments that are honest feedback (Not Critique, usually).. often something about the photo that I notice as especially interesting to me or really makes the photo for me. Sometimes I comments specifically in the face of those who are finding fault with a photo I admire, or seem to be missing the point. I don&#039;t mind the inane commments, though I am getting fewer, lately... but I like leaving the door open for others, who Also don&#039;t have the kind of time I do for writing full emails, to leave a thoughtful or personally playful comment and to just keep in touch.

Now, I regularly have a skype conference call with a small group of flickr buddies and am always glad when that rolls around, since they are now treasured friends. I don&#039;t have &quot;enough&quot; of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I SURE Hear ya on the new plethora of flashy-gif&#8217;d and rules-laden group invitations! Whew! I do have Adblock installed and will block the graphic, when I get one from an otherwise good contact. I don&#8217;t have time for all those groups, esPecially to try to live up to silly tit-for-tat rules, just to belong to some group that claims to speak for the Standard of fine photography.. ;-0</p>
<p>I agree that perhaps the true measure of whether someone likes my photo is their &#8216;fave&#8217;ing it, although I wonder if it means any more about the quality of my work than the comments do&#8230; I doubt that. Popularity never never really was a measure of merit or effectiveness &#8211;even in a &#8220;photography community&#8221;, I say.<br />
My own policy for faving is that I Rarely do&#8230; only for those images which are outstanding to me in a particular way or which exemplify a principle I like to stand for. So in my case, a fave IS a full-on Vote for your image&#8230; Whether for Your intended reason or not.</p>
<p>I have empathy with your choice. Some of my flickr friends are, indeed, often frustrated with the whole Explore/SecretAlgorithm workings, and they want the Exposure, they say, more than the inane comments, really&#8230; and there&#8217;s no arguing that Explore gets a exposure bump for them. I&#8217;m not sure to what end, but, they want it, so I don&#8217;t argue with them on that point, at all, anymore.</p>
<p>As for gaming the system&#8230; maybe that process worked for you&#8230; my friends have experiences/conclusions that seem to negate your method, really, for automatically getting into those first two pages of Explore.. . maybe it gets you into the 500 Interestingness &#8220;cream&#8221;, but Explore pages seem to be a different animal, in some ways, and the algorithm that determines it seems to shift every so often. That&#8217;s when I hear the wails of my friends. ;-/</p>
<p>That brings me to my reason for leaving commenting turned ON:<br />
my flickrfriends.<br />
I am glad I met them and I can say that it would have been less likely for me to have met them if it were not for comments. I know there&#8217;s flickr mail, and that&#8217;s a powerful option. To my way of thinking, though it&#8217;s like adding a &#8220;Do you Really Mean to Communicate?&#8221; hurdle to the point of my being on flickr&#8230; sharing of my images And myself.</p>
<p>I do my best to leave only comments that are honest feedback (Not Critique, usually).. often something about the photo that I notice as especially interesting to me or really makes the photo for me. Sometimes I comments specifically in the face of those who are finding fault with a photo I admire, or seem to be missing the point. I don&#8217;t mind the inane commments, though I am getting fewer, lately&#8230; but I like leaving the door open for others, who Also don&#8217;t have the kind of time I do for writing full emails, to leave a thoughtful or personally playful comment and to just keep in touch.</p>
<p>Now, I regularly have a skype conference call with a small group of flickr buddies and am always glad when that rolls around, since they are now treasured friends. I don&#8217;t have &#8220;enough&#8221; of those.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: photographyVoter.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>photographyVoter.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why I turned off comments at Flickr...&lt;/strong&gt;

Why one man got fed up with comments on his photos......</description>
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		<title>By: Julie Barrett</title>
		<link>http://www.raoulpop.com/2007/06/21/why-i-turned-off-comments-at-flickr/comment-page-1/#comment-111383</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! ;-)

I&#039;ve noticed some of that at Flickr as well. I also dislike the gaming, but I don&#039;t use that service enough to consider turning comments off. I&#039;m still trying to decide whether to upgrade or just ditch Flickr. Haven&#039;t made up my mind yet.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve noticed some of that at Flickr as well. I also dislike the gaming, but I don&#8217;t use that service enough to consider turning comments off. I&#8217;m still trying to decide whether to upgrade or just ditch Flickr. Haven&#8217;t made up my mind yet.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah now it all makes sense! I was looking through your photos yesterday and was wondering what was up. I can understand where you&#039;re coming from. The novelty of it all wears off after a while. I still enjoy it for what it&#039;s worth, but I think I&#039;ve had my expectations tempered for sometime. One benefit from the comments even though they&#039;re not critical is how they provide as an introduction to other people and their work. I suppose the same could happen from just Favorite designation. I have to tell you it is weird seeing your photos up with out comments.
Thanks for the link to my article as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ah now it all makes sense! I was looking through your photos yesterday and was wondering what was up. I can understand where you&#8217;re coming from. The novelty of it all wears off after a while. I still enjoy it for what it&#8217;s worth, but I think I&#8217;ve had my expectations tempered for sometime. One benefit from the comments even though they&#8217;re not critical is how they provide as an introduction to other people and their work. I suppose the same could happen from just Favorite designation. I have to tell you it is weird seeing your photos up with out comments.<br />
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